Celebrating the 100th Birthday of Frank Sinatra


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THAT’S WHAT IT IS I’M BRINGING FAMILIES TOGETHER A HALF AN HOUR EACH WEEK I MEAN I’M DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL AND SO I DO FEEL SUCCESSFUL [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING]>>HI I’M STEVE ADUBATO AT THE TISCH WNET STUDIO HERE IN THE HEART OF LINCOLN CENTER ONE OF MY FAVORITE ALL TIME AUTHORS WE HAVE IN THE HOUSE BACK AGAIN JAMES KAPLAN THE AUTHOR OF SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN BOY, I’LL TELL YOU, THIS IS A GREAT BOOK. AND>>THANK YOU STEVE>>SINATRA: THE VOICE, LAST TIME AROUND>>FRANK: THE VOICE SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN>>YEAH. SO, LET ME ASK YOU WHAT MAKES THIS ONE DIFFERENT? IT STARTS IN 1954?>>YES>>HE’S JUST WON THE ACADEMY AWARD FOR?>>HE’S JUST WON THE ACADEMY AWARD FOR “FROM HERE TO ETERNITY”>>HE PLAYS…?>>PRIVATE MAGGIO>>…MAGGIO>>YES>>TELL EVERYONE WHY MAGGIO THAT CHARACTER IS SO SIGNIFICANT, SINATRA BELIEVED HE WAS MAGGIO>>SINATRA BELIEVED HE WAS MAGGIO. MAGGIO WAS, HE WAS FROM BROOKLYN, NOT HOBOKEN, BUT HE WAS A SKINNY, SMALL, ITALIAN AMERICAN WHO WAS DOWNTRODDEN EVERYBODY WALKED ALL OVER HIM AND IN A LOT OF WAYS ESPECIALLY AFTER WORLD WAR II WHEN HIS CAREER WENT DOWN THE TUBES, SINATRA FELT VERY DOWNTRODDEN. SO, THE ROLE WAS NATURAL FOR HIM>>HOW DOES WINNING THE ACADEMY AWARD FOR FROM HERE TO ETERNITY, MAGGIO>>YES>>CHANGE FRANK SINATRA’S PROFESSIONAL LIFE?>>IT CHANGES EVERYTHING BECAUSE BEFORE THAT, HE WAS SEEN AS A LOSER IN HOLLYWOOD WHOSE CAREER WAS OVER. HE HAD A FRIEND, A LITERARY AGENT NAMED SWIFTY LAZAR, AND SWIFTY LAZAR SAID, “HE’S A DEAD MAN” SWIFTY LAZAR SAID, “EVEN JESUS COULDN’T GET RESURRECTED IN THIS TOWN.” WELL, SINATRA COULD, AND HE DID. FROM THE NIGHT HE WON THAT OSCAR, HIS CAREER STARTED GOING STRAIGHT BACK UPHILL INSTEAD OF DOWNHILL>>WHAT KIND OF THINGS HAPPENED FOR HIM?>>A BIG DEAL WAS THAT HE HAD STARTED, EVEN HIS RECORD COMPANY, COLUMBIA, DROPPED HIM DURING HIS BAD YEARS>>RIGHT>>BUT HE WAS PICKED UP BY A NEW COMPANY, CAPITOL RECORDS>>COLUMBIA TO CAPITOL?>>COLUMBIA TO CAPITOL, AND HE WAS INTRODUCED TO A GREAT ARRANGER, A YOUNG ARRANGER HE HAD NEVER HEARD OF>>IS THAT NELSON RIDDLE?>>THAT IS NELSON RIDDLE AND HE STARTED MAKING THESE INCREDIBLE ALBUMS WITH NELSON RIDDLE. AND BETWEEN THE MOVIE CAREER REBORN, AND THESE INCREDIBLE CAPITOL ALBUMS WITH NELSON RIDDLE, IT WAS A CAREER THAT SHOT UP LIKE A ROCKET IN THE 50’S>>HELP ME ON THIS. THE NIGHT THAT SINATRA WINS THE ACADEMY AWARD, DOES HE GO HOME ALONE?>>YES>>HE GOES HOME ALONE?>>HE GOES HOME ALONE HE GOES HOME ALONE. HE HAD BEEN, DON’T FORGET, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS 1954, HE HAS LEFT HIS, THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN, AND HIS CHILDREN HE HAD GONE TO BIG NANCY’S HOUSE BEFORE THE ACADEMY AWARDS>>BIG NANCY HIS WIFE?>>BIG NANCY IS HIS WIFE>>IS EVA GARDNER IN SPAIN?>>EVA GARDNER IS OVERSEAS SHE HAS TAKEN UP WITH A BULLFIGHTER IN SPAIN>>THAT IS THAT BULLFIGHTER IN SPAIN?>>THAT IS THAT BULLFIGHTER IN SPAIN>>OKAY>>SO FRANK HAS NO WIFE, HE STOPPED BY TO SEE HIS EX-WIFE BUT HE CAN’T GO BACK TO HER>>YEAH>>HOUSE AFTER HE WINS THE OSCAR>>RIGHT>>HE’S ALONE, HE’S WALKING AROUND BEVERLY HILLS HOLDING ON TO THE STATUETTE. HE SITS DOWN ON THE STEPS OF A CHURCH AND HE JUST HAS TO THINK, HIS>>YEAH>>LIFE HAS CHANGED, BUT HE’S GOT NOBODY TO TELL IT TO>>THE BOOK ALSO COVERS POLITICS>>YES>>SINATRA AND THE KENNEDYS. GO>>SINATRA MET JACK KENNEDY AT A DEMOCRATIC FUNDRAISER IN L.A. IN 1955, AND THESE WERE TWO GUYS WHO INSTANTLY FELL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER JACK KENNEDY LOVED WOMEN HE LOVED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN HE WAS A MARRIED MAN BUT THAT DIDN’T MEAN MUCH TO HIM, AND IN THOSE DAYS POLITICIANS, ESPECIALLY ATTRACTIVE CHARISMATIC POLITICIANS, WE’RE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED WITHOUT BEING OUTED BY THE PRESS HE LOVED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN SINATRA WAS THE A NUMBER ONE WORLD SOURCE OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND HE WAS KNOCKED OUT BY SINATRA’S STARDOM, BY HIS SINGING. SINATRA WAS AN FDR LIBERAL, DIED IN THE WOOL DEMOCRAT, HE SAW THIS INCREDIBLY CHARISMATIC YOUNG POLITICIAN AND THOUGHT “THIS GUY’S GONNA BE PRESIDENT” AND SO, AND SINATRA WAS ALWAYS ATTRACTED TO POWER. AND KENNEDY HAD IT IN SPADES. SO THE TWO WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER>>KENNEDY, THE KENNEDY WHO SHAFTS SINATRA?>>WELL, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS>>IN SINATRA’S MIND>>IN SINA… WELL, IT WAS A SHAFTING, AND IT WAS A PUBLIC HUMILIATION. IN MARCH OF 1962 JACK KENNEDY WAS GOING WEST HE WAS GONNA DO… SPEND SOME R AND R TIME AT SINATRA’S PALM SPRINGS HOUSE. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF NAUGHTINESS THAT WOULD GO ON THERE. HIS BROTHER JACK KENNEDY’S BROTHER, BOB KENNEDY, WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. AND BOBBY KENNEDY HAD JUST BEEN INFORMED BY J. EDGAR HOOVER THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAD A LADY FRIEND A WOMAN NAMED JUDITH CAMPBELL>>WHO HAD THE RELATIONSHIP WITH SAM GIANCANA>>WHO HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HEAD OF THE CHICAGO MOB>>SAM G…>>SAM GIANCANA>>YEAH>>AT THE SAME TIME SHE WAS HAVING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH JACK KENNEDY. JUDITH CAMPBELL HAD BEEN INTRODUCED TO JACK KENNEDY BY FRANK SINATRA AND BOBBY KENNEDY SAID TO HIS BROTHER, “YOU MAY NOT STAY AT HIS HOUSE”>>IS THAT HOW HE WINDS UP… KENNEDY WINDS UP STAYING AT BING CROSBY’S HOUSE?>>STAYED AT BING CROSBY’S HOUSE INSTEAD, AND THAT WAS A HUGE PUBLIC HUMILIATION FOR SINATRA. SINATRA TOOK IT ALL OUT, NEVER GOT MAD AT JACK KENNEDY, HE TOOK IT ALL OUT ON BOBBY KENNEDY>>YEAH>>AND ON PETER LAWFORD>>PETER LAWFORD, WHO WAS A>>WHO WAS MARRIED…>>AN IN-LAW TO THE KENNEDY FAMILY>>YEAH MARRIED TO JACK’S SISTER>>THE DEAN MARTIN THING A BIG THEME IN THE BOOK?>>BIG THEME IN THE BOOK>>CLOSE, BUT NOT CLOSE>>CLOSE BUT NOT CLOSE THAT’S CORRECT>>I DON’T GET IT>>YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DEAN MARTIN HE WAS A STRANGE CAT HE WAS A GUY WHO WAS HE WAS SO GIFTED, HE WAS INCREDIBLY HANDSOME. HE WAS EVERYTHING THAT SINATRA WANTED TO BE. HE WAS BIG TALL, STRONG, HANDSOME…>>HE COULD HAVE BEEN A BOXER IN CLEVELAND?>>COULD HAVE BEEN A BOXER EXCEPT…>>AND HE WAS TIED TO THE MOB HE HAD MOB FRIENDS IN CLEVELAND>>WELL, I MEAN YES, HE DID AND THEY HELPED HIM A LITTLE BIT. BUT DEAN COULD SING HE COULD SING WONDERFULLY>>YES>>ALTHOUGH HE ALWAYS MADE FUN OF HIS OWN SINGING. AND THE MOST VALUABLE GIFT THAT DEAN MARTIN HAD WAS, HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE SENSE OF HUMOR>>YES>>INCREDIBLE SENSE OF…>>QUICK TIMING>>LIGHTNING TIMING. AND SINATRA IDOLIZED DEAN MARTIN, AND DEAN MARTIN ALWAYS KEPT HIMSELF AT A DISTANCE FROM EVERYBODY EVEN FROM FRANK>>HE ALSO PULLED AWAY AT TIMES WHEN HE DIDN’T WANT TO PARTY ANYMORE>>YES>>AS I READ IN THE BOOK YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY SAW TONY BENNETT, MY WIFE AND I WENT TO SEE TONY BENNETT AT THE NEW JERSEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, 89 YEARS YOUNG>>HMM>>AND THE WAY HE’S INTRODUCED IS, AND YOU KNOW THIS HE’S INTRODUCED WITH A VOICE TRACK FROM SINATRA SAYING “I WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS YOUNG KID”>>YES. YES>>GUY’S GOT THE GREATEST VOICE OUT THERE TODAY>>YES. YES>>TONY BENNETT>>TONY BENNETT>>GO AHEAD>>AMAZING SINGER. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINATRA AND TONY BENNETT. TONY BENNETT BROUGHT TO HIS SINGING A QUALITY OF JOY. YOU HEAR JOY IN HEARING TONY BENNETT SING. SINATRA NEVER BROUGHT JOY TO HIS SINGING. SINATRA WAS LIKE A WALKING OPERA EVERYTHING WAS DRAMATIC>>TRAGIC?>>YOU… TRAGIC TO A GREAT DEGREE, ALTHOUGH WHEN HE’S SINGING SONGS LIKE “YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO YOUNG” “I GOT THE WORLD ON A STRING” “FLY ME TO THE MOON” YOU HEAR A GREAT DEAL OF BUOYANCY, AND POSITIVE ENERGY, BUT NOT JOY. JOY WAS NOT SOMETHING IN SINATRA’S WHEELHOUSE>>HMM. I NEED TO ASK YOU THIS BY THE WAY, THE BOOK>>PLEASE>>IS CALLED THE CHAIRMAN>>YES>>SINATRA>>ASK ME ANYTHING [LAUGHTER]>>THE CHAIRMAN. HERE IS MY QUESTION. SINATRA’S 100TH BIRTHDAY>>YES>>RIGHT? WE CELEBRATE IT>>DECEMBER 12TH>>100 YEARS FROM NOW, JAMES>>YES>>KAPLAN, WILL WE STILL BE TALKING ABOUT FRANK SINATRA?>>ABSOLUTELY>>BECAUSE?>>WE WILL… BECAUSE OF THAT VOICE. PEOPLE ARE FASCINATED WITH SINATRA TODAY, AND EVEN YOUNG PEOPLE ARE FASCINATED WITH HIM, BECAUSE OF A COMBINATION OF THE MYSTIQUE AND THE VOICE, THAT RAT PACK SWAGGER, RIGHT? AND THE VOICE BUT MY CONTENTION IS THAT IF YOU HAD THE MYSTIQUE WITHOUT THE VOICE, THAT WOULD FADE AWAY OVER TIME. IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, 100 YEARS FROM NOW 500 YEARS FROM NOW, 1,000 YEARS FROM NOW, SOME SURVIVORS HAPPEN TO FIND A SINATRA CD AND STUCK IT IN THE ANTIQUE PLAYER OF THE CD AND HEARD THAT VOICE, AND HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE RAT PACK OR ANYTHING THEY HEARD THAT AMAZING VOICE A VOICE LIKE NO OTHER THEY WOULD KNOW IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE VOICE. SO 100 YEARS FROM NOW, EASY. WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT>>JAMES KAPLAN, ONE OF MY FAVORITE AUTHORS. AND YOU WILL LOVE HIM AFTER THIS SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN JAMES KAPLAN. FRANK: THE VOICE BEFORE THIS. GREAT STUFF>>STEVE THANK YOU SO MUCH>>THANK YOU>>VISIT US ONLINE AT WWW.STEVEADUBATO.ORG EMAIL US AT [email protected] FIND US ON FACEBOOK AT FACEBOOK.COM/STEVEADUBATOPHD AND FOLLOW US ON TWITTER AT @STEVEADUBATO>>SINATRA MEANS WHAT TO YOU?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HE’S ONE OF THE ULTIMATE INTERPRETERS HE WAS AN ICON FOR SO MANY REASONS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE HANDLED THE LYRIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, HIS INCREDIBLE VOCAL CONTROL AND HIS SWINGING, I MEAN HE WAS THE SWINGINGEST SINGER>>TELL FOLKS WHAT THAT MEANS WHO MAY NOT APPRECIATE IT>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HIS SENSE OF TIME, HIS FEELING OF WHERE THE BEAT WAS, THE WAY HE PHRASED MELODIES, YOU KNOW, AND JUST FELT RHYTHM WHEN HE SANG THE WAY HE SANG WITH THE BAND YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST SO INCREDIBLY MUSICAL AND GROOVING AND BEAUTIFUL AND GORGEOUS AND I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM HIM FROM LISTENING TO HIM ABOUT HOW TO BE A BETTER SINGER IN THAT REGARD>>WE’RE PLEASED TO WELCOME CHARLES GRANATA SINATRA EXPERT, AUTHOR PRODUCER AND HE’S THE PRODUCER ON SIRIUS XM’S NANCY SINATRA WEEKLY PROGRAM “NANCY FOR FRANK” WHICH I LISTEN TO EVERY WEEKEND ALSO TIED TO THE SINATRA>>WOW>>AND AMERICAN ICON TRAVELING SINATRA EXHIBIT YEAH THAT’S RIGHT EVERY WEEKEND I DO IT>>THAT’S GREAT. THANKS THAT’S GOOD TO HEAR>>AND, OH I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO>>I KNOW I’M AMAZED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE LOVE OUR SHOW IT’S A GREAT THING.>>YOU KNOW WHAT I’M CURIOUS ABOUT? SINATRA JUST HAD THE 100TH BIRTHDAY?>>RIGHT>>RIGHT? 50 YEARS FROM NOW STILL PLAYING FRANK SINATRA?>>ABSOLUTELY>>BECAUSE?>>BECAUSE SINATRA BESPEAKS QUALITY. IT’S QUALITY SONGS IT’S QUALITY ORCHESTRATION IT’S QUALITY VOCALIZING THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS THERE I MEAN, THESE SONGS THAT SINATRA RECORDED IN HIS 60 PLUS YEAR CAREER ARE REALLY WHAT THE AMERICAN SONGBOOK IS ALL ABOUT>>HMM>>AND EVEN THOUGH OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME AND BEGUN TO CARRY THE TORCH, I MEAN IT REALLY STARTED WITH LINDA RONSTADT IN THE EARLY 80’S DOING THESE GREAT ALBUMS WITH NELSON RIDDLE WHO WAS SINATRA’S GREATEST FOIL IN THE 50’S AND 60’S, AS AN ARRANGER. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT CONTINUED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WE HAVE BOZ SCAGGS AND NEIL DIAMOND AND BARRY MANILOW AND OF COURSE NOW, ENTERTAINERS LIKE MICHAEL BUBLE, AND HARRY CONNICK WHO HAVE NOW PREDICATED THEIR WHOLE CAREERS…>>MICHAEL FEINSTEIN?>>WELL MICHAEL FEINSTEIN’S IN A DIFFERENT CLASS. I MEAN MICHAEL IS REALLY HE IS THE PRE-EMINENT…>>HE IS, ISN’T HE?>>…INTERPRETER, YEAH ABSOLUTELY>>BY THE WAY NAME THE EXHIBIT AGAIN?>>IT’S THE FRANK SINATRA EXH… IT’S THE GRAMMY MUSEUM SINATRA EXHIBIT IS REALLY WHAT IT IS THE…>>WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW?>>YEAH, WELL I MEAN HERE I CAN SEE A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH OF FRANK>>IS THAT HIS BOWTIE?>>THAT’S HIS BOWTIE>>REALLY?>>AND THERE’S A GREAT STORY BEHIND THESE BOWTIES. SO IN THE 1940’S, FRANK SINATRA BECAME KNOWN AS THIS ROMANTIC CROONER>>YEAH>>AND HE HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL CROP OF HAIR, AND THESE BIG FLOPPY BOWTIES. SO NOT ONLY WAS FRANK AFFECTING MUSIC IN A HUGE WAY, HE WAS THE FIRST TEEN IDOL STARTS SINGING THESE GREAT ROMANTIC BALLADS AND BECOMES THIS POP CULTURE SENSATION BUT HE AFFECTS DRESS AND STYLE>>HMM>>AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HIS SIGNATURE WERE THESE GREAT FLOPPY BOWTIES, WHICH HIS WIFE NANCY, NANCY SINATRA SENIOR ACTUALLY MADE FOR HIM>>SHE DID?>>SHE DID. SHE MADE HIS BOWTIES IN THE 40’S, AND NANCY IS 98 YEARS OLD. SHE STILL HAS THE>>WOW>>PATTERN FOR THE ORIGINAL>>[LAUGHTER] OH NO>>BOWTIES, AND AS WE CAN SEE IN THE EXHIBIT THE FAMILY HAS GENEROUSLY LOANED ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SINATRA FLOPPY BOWTIES SO WHEN HE MADE THIS TRANSITION FROM THE BOWTIE PHASE TO THE ULTRASOPHISTICATED SWINGIN’ PHASE>>HMM>>IN THE EARLY 1950’S EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM CHANGED IT WASN’T JUST THAT HIS VOICE HAD DEEPENED AND THAT HE WAS SINGING THESE GREAT UP TEMPO SONGS WITH>>HMM>>NELSON RIDDLE AND BILLY MAY IT WAS ALSO THE STYLE OF DRESS AND HE REALLY, I THINK, AFFECTED FASHION FROM THE EARLY 50’S RIGHT THROUGH THE 60’S WHICH MOST YOUNG PEOPLE NOW WOULD CALL THEM “MADMEN ERA”>>THAT’S RIGHT>>BUT THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN FRANK STARTED WEARING THE TIE BAR, UNDERNEATH HIS TIE UNDERNEATH HIS COLLAR, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL. OR HE WOULD LOOSEN HIS TIE, AND OPEN THE TOP BUTTON, AND IT LOOKED JUST WAY COOL, RIGHT?>>ON SINATRA. IT LOOKED GOOD ON HIM [LAUGHTER]>>WELL…>>NOT EVERYBODY ELSE BUT…>>BUT I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD ON A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THE OTHER THING IS HE STARTED WEARING THE SNAP BRIM HAT. I MEAN, HE STARTED WEARING IT BECAUSE HE WAS LOSING HIS HAIR>>RIGHT, WELL THE FEDORA, IS THAT… WAS THAT WHAT…?>>BUT THE FEDORA IS…>>YEAH>>YEAH, I MEAN, THERE YOU GO>>THAT’S IN… THIS IS IN THE EXHIBIT?>>YEAH>>YEAH>>YEAH, THEY’RE JUST…>>TALK ABOUT THE FEDORA>>IT BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH SINATRA, AND THAT STYLE NOW I MEAN FEDORAS HAD BEEN AROUND FOR YEAR… FOR 30 YEARS>>HMM>>BUT ONCE FRANK STARTED TO WEAR HIS HAT TILTED, AND WE STARTED TO SEE PICTURES OF SINATRA IN THE RECORDING STUDIO AND ON THE FILM SET, AND OUT TO DINNER>>HMM>>WITH HIS HOLLYWOOD PALS OR WITH HIS FAMILY, YOU KNOW WEARING THIS GREAT SNAP BRIM HAT JUST TILTED A LITTLE BIT EVERYBODY WANTED THAT LOOK SO, YOU KNOW THE SNAP BRIM HAT YOU KNOW, THE LOOSENED TIE THAT VERY CAREFREE JAUNTY, SOPHISTICATED IMAGE MATCHED WHAT HE WAS DOING MUSICALLY AND ARTISTICALLY IT ALL KIND OF MELDED INTO THIS POP CULTURE THING>>WHAT… WHAT COVERED… SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING CHARLES WHAT COVER…? THE COVER OF THE SINATRA CD… I CALL IT THE CD NOW, HAS SINATRA… IS IT THE COLUMBIA YEARS? WHAT IS THE… YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THE ONE I’M TALKING ABOUT. IT IS…>>IT’S FROM THE CAPITOL ERA>>IT’S FROM THE CAPITOL ERA I’M SORRY>>RIGHT>>THE CAPITOL ERA IT’S THAT SHOT?>>IT’S THAT SHOT, RIGHT WELL “IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS OF THE MORNING”>>THAT’S IT>>IS SUCH A GREAT ALBUM AND SEE THAT’S THE VERY NEAT THING, IS THAT FRANK NOT ONLY EXPRESSED THESE FEELINGS>>HMM>>OF LOVE AND…>>LOSS OF LOVE? [LAUGHTER]>>LOSS OF LOVE. THE JUBILATION AND THE JOY OF BEING IN LOVE AND LOOKING FOR LOVE, AND THEN THE SADNESS AND THE TRAGEDY OF LOSING YOUR LOVE, BUT IT WASN’T JUST THE MUSIC AND HIS VOICE THAT COMMUNICATED THAT, IT WAS THE VERY COVERAGE OF THE ALBUM SO “IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS”>>THAT’S RIGHT>>YOU KNOW, HE’S LEANING AGAINST A LAMPPOST>>YES>>LOOKING DOWN AND FORLORN AND HE’S GOT THE HAT IS TILTED DOWN. ON “SWING EASY” AND “SONGS FOR SWINGING LOVERS” WHICH ARE THESE UP TEMPO ALBUMS YOU KNOW, HE’S LOOKING HAPPY LOOKING AT YOUNG LOVERS, AND HE’S GOT THE HAT ON, AND SEE THESE ARE JUST ICONIC PHOTOS OF AN AMERICAN TREASURE>>YEAH>>AN AMERICAN CLASSIC, I MEAN THAT WAS THE SINATRA THAT WE REMEMBER>>YOU KNOW, MY MOM WAS ALWAYS OBSESSED WITH AVA GARDNER>>HMM>>SHE WOULD TALK ABOUT AVA GARDNER ALL THE TIME AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT FRANK SINATRA HAD WITH AVA GARDNER AND THE HBO DOCUMENTARY, THE TWO-NIGHTER>>RIGHT>>WHICH I KNOW YOU WERE SITTING THERE WATCHING AS IT WAS HAPPENING>>ABSOLUTELY>>AS WERE MILLIONS OF OTHERS DID SHE HAVE HIS NUMBER?>>YOU KNOW, A VERY INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP. WITHOUT KNOWING AVA, YOU KNOW, EVER GETTING TO MEET HER. I THINK THEY WERE VERY MUCH ALIKE. VERY MERCURIAL PERSONALITIES AND TEMPERS I THINK THEY LOVED EACH OTHER BUT THEY COULDN’T BE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY WERE SO MUCH ALIKE I THINK…>>HE MADE HER… SHE MADE HIM CRAZY THOUGH?>>SHE DID… SHE DID…>>I MEAN DO CRAZY THINGS?>>YES. I MEAN, THE…>>REALLY CRAZY THINGS?>>WELL, THAT’S TRUE AND THERE IS A HOME CALLED “TWIN PALMS” IN PALM SPRINGS>>[LAUGHTER]>>WHICH IS STILL THERE>>YEAH>>AND STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL BATHROOM SINK WHERE IN 1951 FRANK CRACKED A BOTTLE OVER THE SINK AFTER A FIGHT WITH AVA AND THE CRACK IN THE SINK IS STILL THERE, IN THAT BATHROOM IN THAT HOUSE IN PALM SPRINGS IT’S PRETTY AMAZING>>FAMOUS FIGHTS>>YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK “TEMPESTUOUS” WOULD BE A GREAT WORD TO DESCRIBE THE SINATRA-GARDNER RELATIONSHIP>>YOU’VE CALLED SINATRA THE FIRST MULTIMEDIA TALENT?>>YEAH. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE FACT THAT SINATRA HAD THIS PHENOMENAL SUCCESS WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE CAME ALONG AT THE RIGHT MOMENT. SO, HE HAD THIS PHENOMENAL TALENT, HE HAD A BRILLIANT VOICE, WHICH HE LEARNED TO HONE TO PERFECTION AND HE ALSO ARRIVED AT A MOMENT WHEN WE HAD A CONFLUENCE OF RADIO AND RECORDS, AND FILM AND TELEVISION, AND THEN, AS HE STARTED TO GET OLDER, OF COURSE HE ALWAYS DID NIGHT CLUB AND STAGE PERFORMANCES, BUT YOU KNOW, AS HE BECAME THE ELDER STATESMAN OF POP MUSIC WE HAD THE CONCERT ARENA ERA WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SELL OUT OF>>HMM>>MADISON SQUARE GARDEN AND FRANK SINATRA SUCCEEDED IN ALL OF THOSE MEDIUMS. AND THAT REALLY, TO ME, IS A BIG THING>>THAT’S WHY I LOVE MY JOB IS GETTING TO TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU THANK YOU>>THANKS STEVE, LOVE YOU MAN>>THAT WAS GREAT>>THANKS… THAT’S GREAT…>>IT’S THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FRANK SINATRA’S BIRTHDAY AND BUCKY ACTUALLY, DID YOU YOU ACTUALLY WORKED WITH SINATRA. DESCRIBE WHAT HE WAS REALLY LIKE. FRANK SINATRA>>HE WAS THE CHAMP YOU KNOW, IT’S LIKE IF HE WAS HE WAS LIKE THE BING CROSBY OF THE WORLD [LAUGHTER] FRANK SINATRA>>WHAT WAS HIS PERSONALITY LIKE BUCKY?>>GREAT GREAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD HIS UPS AND DOWNS, BUT WE ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF GOOD FUN WITH HIM>>WAS HE…?>>I PLAYED THE WHITE HOUSE WITH HIM>>WAS HE A GREAT, NOT JUST PERFORMER AND SINGER, DID HE KNOW MUSIC WELL?>>HE KNEW IT VERY WELL, HE FELT IT. HE FELT IT HE KNEW WHEN IT WAS RIGHT>>AND I GOTTA ASK YOU WAS HE A TRUE JERSEY GUY?>>YEAH. YEAH, HOBOKEN RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING]>>I HOPE I NEVER WAKE UP IF YOU ARE BUT A DREAM>>HI, STEVE ADUBATO HERE AT THE NEW JERSEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN BEAUTIFUL NEWARK NEW JERSEY. THIS IS ONE ON ONE YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT A CLIP THAT WAS FRANK SINATRA, AS YOU WELL KNOW, A CLIP CALLED “THE HOUSE I LIVE IN” IT WAS A GOVERNMENT VIDEO THAT SINATRA DID THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, AND THE MAN I’M ABOUT TO INTRODUCE KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS. HE IS ROBERT FOSTER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR HOBOKEN HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND WHY DO HAVE HIM? WELL, BECAUSE THERE’S A SINATRA EXHIBIT, IT’S CALLED “FRANK SINATRA, THE MAN, THE VOICE, AND THE FANS” IT’S GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO JULY 3RD, 2016 GOOD TO SEE YOU MR FOSTER>>THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY>>100TH BIRTHDAY OF FRANK SINATRA. WHAT’S THE DEAL I MEAN, I’VE BEEN FASCINATED BY SINATRA, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY WEEKENDS WOULDN’T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT SINATRA BEING PLAYED THROUGHOUT OUR HOME. HE WAS AN ICON FOR OUR FAMILY YOU KNOW THERE WAS CONTROVERSIES AS WELL ABOUT HIM. BUT WHAT MAKES SINATRA AN ENDURING FIGURE ALL THESE YEARS LATER?>>IT SUCH, YOU KNOW, FOR EACH PERSON IT’S SOMETHING DIFFERENT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT I MEET ARE SIMILAR TO YOUR CONNECTION IS THAT SOMEONE INTRODUCED THEM TO THIS MUSIC WHEN THEY’RE YOUNG. AND I KIND OF LIKEN IT TO ALMOST LIKE LIKE THE FOOD THAT YOUR MOM MADE. THAT THAT FOOD IS ALMOST LIKE COMFORT FOOD, AND THAT MUSIC IS COMFORT FOOD. AND IT’S INCREDIBLE TO MEET SOMEONE WHO’S 93, 94 YEARS OLD AND THEY’LL TALK ABOUT CUTTING OUT OF SCHOOL, WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS KNOWING ABOUT IT, AND GOING TO THE PARAMOUNT IN NEW YORK>>I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE PARAMOUNT IN NEW YORK>>YEAH, AND…>>[LAUGHTER] I USED TO HEAR THAT FROM MY GREAT AUNTS>>RIGHT. AND SO YOU JUST HEAR THEIR STORIES AND YOU REALIZE THAT FRANK SINATRA TO THEM, IS LIKE THE BEST SPIRITUAL LEADER, THE BEST POLITICIAN, LIKE A LEADER>>WHAT’S THE EXHIBIT?>>THE EXHIBIT IS CALLED “THE MAN, THE VOICE, AND THE FANS”>>WHAT DO PEOPLE SEE?>>AND, GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN WE’RE HITTING ALL THREE AREAS. WE GO OVER HIS CAREER AND SO THERE ARE MEDIA STATIONS THAT ARE CHRONOLOGICAL AND SO YOU START WITH MAJOR BOWES’ AMATEUR HOUR THAT’S THE WAY FRANK WAS DISCOVERED. KIND OF A STAR SEARCH PROGRAM OF THE DAY IT’S A THREE MINUTE PIECE AND THEN WE ALSO SHOW HOW FRANK IS HONORED TODAY EVERY YEAR THE CITY OF HOBOKEN THROUGH CULTURAL AFFAIRS HAS A SINATRA IDOL EVENT SOUNDS A LITTLE CORNY, BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE KEEPING THE MUSIC ALIVE SO WE KIND OF SHOW THE EARLY YEARS>>RIGHT>>AND WE’RE SHOWING HOW HE’S HONORED TODAY>>THERE’S AN INTERESTING CONNECTION BETWEEN SINATRA AND HOBOKEN>>YEAH. I MEAN…>>CAUSE DOLLY AND MARTY>>SURE>>HIS PARENTS>>YEAH. I MEAN, FRANK SINATRA’S GROWING UP IN THE 1930’S AND IF YOU ARE ITALIAN NOT JUST HOBOKEN, BUT IF YOU’RE YOU KNOW, ITALIAN IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE 1930’S CHANCES ARE YOU’RE A FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANT. YOU’RE AT THE LOW END OF THE SOCIAL STRATA, AND YOU ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST>>DOLLY AND MARTY WERE>>YES, DEFINITELY. AND IN THAT CLIP, “THE HOUSE I LIVE IN” IT KINDA DEALS WITH DISCRIMINATION>>THAT’S RIGHT. IT DOES>>AND GENERALLY, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT DISCRIMINATION ABOUT FROM BETWEEN ITALIANS AND IRISH THEY’RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING AFTER IT. IT’S NOT UNTIL THOSE TWO GROUPS START INTERMARRYING>>RIGHT>>AND GETTING TOGETHER FOR THANKSGIVING, THAT THINGS CHANGE>>SINATRA ALSO A, NOT JUST A COMPELLING VOICE, AND HE WINS THE ACADEMY AWARD IN 1954, I BELIEVE>>HERE TO ETERNITY>>HERE TO ETERNITY, AND PLAYING MAGGIO>>RIGHT>>CHANGING HIS LIFE, RIGHT?>>SURE>>BECAUSE HE WAS DOWN. I MEAN>>MM HMM>>IN THE 50’S, THE EARLY 50’S>>YEAH>>HE COULDN’T GET WORK>>SURE>>PERFORMING NOWHERE OTHER THAN IN THE MOB JOINTS THAT WOULD, FRANKLY, EMPLOY HIM THAT’S JUST A FACT, RIGHT?>>MM HMM>>DO YOU, IN FACT, IN ANY WAY TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTION THAT SINATRA ALLEGEDLY HAD WITH ORGANIZED CRIME FIGURES?>>WE ACTUALLY DON’T>>BY DESIGN?>>YEAH. NOT REALLY, I MEAN WE JUST DIDN’T WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT>>IS IT NOT IMPORTANT?>>I DON’T, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN OUR EXHIBIT FOCUSES ON SO MUCH ABOUT THE FANS LOVE OF SINATRA WE HAVE DIFFERENT MEMORY BOOKS AROUND THE MUSEUM WHERE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME IN THEY WANT TO TELL THEIR STORY SO WE HAVE…>>YOU BROUGHT A MEMORY BOOK?>>YEAH>>SO PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT THEIR CONNECTION TO SINATRA?>>CORRECT>>BUT HE WAS, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN 100, SO WHO THE HECK IS WRITING ABOUT HIM?>>WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN WHO ARE THREE GENERATIONS THEY’RE BRINGING IN THE 90 YEAR OLD BOBBY SOXER>>[LAUGHTER]>>THEY’RE BRINGING IN THE YOU KNOW, THE NEXT GENERATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NINE YEAR OLD. AND IT’S A BEAUTIFUL THING TO WATCH I MEAN, IT IS NOSTALGIA BUT THE FACT THAT THEY CAN SHARE ALL THROUGH THIS MUSIC ONE PERSON. SO WE’RE NOT AS CONCERNED WITH, SHALL WE SAY HIS EARLY ARREST>>RIGHT>>YOU SEE THAT MUGSHOT YOU KNOW>>RIGHT>>A LA SOPRANOS>>YES>>WE DON’T HAVE THAT ON DISPLAY THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT REALLY HONORS HIM MORE THAN…>>IT CELEBRATES HIS LIFE?>>YEAH DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY>>SO I WROTE A PIECE FOR NEW JERSEY MONTHLY MAGAZINE, WHICH WILL BE YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND IT’LL COME UP, ON SINATRA, FOR HIS 100TH BIRTHDAY. AND I TALKED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND ONE OF THEM WAS JOE PISCOPO WHO PERFORMS SINATRA AND HE WAS ONE OF THE FEW PERFORMERS THAT SINATRA THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY FOR HIM TO DO HIM>>SURE>>AND HE TELLS HIS OWN STORY WHICH I REPEAT, IN THE THE ARTICLE. BUT WHAT’S SO FASCINATING ABOUT IT, IS THAT I ASKED PISCOPO WHETHER HE THOUGHT SINATRA WOULD BE CELEBRATED 150… 200 YEARS FROM NOW. AND HE SAID “ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT” WHAT DO YOU SAY?>>DEFINITELY, YEAH>>DEFINITELY?>>DEFINITELY. DEFINITELY>>BECAUSE?>>JUST BECAUSE MUSIC…>>BUT WHO’S GONNA BE AROUND?>>[LAUGHTER] HIS MUSIC WILL BE AROUND. THE MAN MADE OVER 50 FILMS. THOSE FILMS PLAY CONTINUALLY. AND SO I HAVE NO DOUBT. I HAVE NO DOUBT. WE HAVE WE HAVE 12 YEAR OLDS AND 14 YEAR OLDS COMING IN WHO KNOW ABOUT SINATRA FROM GRANDDAD. THEY’RE PASSING IT ON. THE MUSIC PASSES AROUND PASSES THROUGH>>I GREW UP AS A KID AND HEARING THAT SINATRA USED TO GET BREAD FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD FROM GIORDANO’S>>RIGHT>>YOU HEAR, YOU TOLD ME SOMETHING ELSE. YOU BROUGHT BREAD?>>YEAH. THIS IS A SIMILAR STORY BUT I’VE SEEN THE CANCELLED CHECKS FROM DOM’S BAKERY>>FROM DOM’S? OH OH THIS IS…>>THIS IS BEAUTIFUL BREAD>>BY THE WAY, THIS IS CALLED THOSE OF YOU WHO DON’T KNOW THIS IS, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED A PANEL. SINATRA WOULD ORDER THIS>>YES. THIS WAS AFTER HE MOVED OUT OF HOBOKEN, AND HE’S GETTING THIS IN THE 1980’S I’VE SEEN CANCELLED CHECKS FROM DOM’S. HE WOULD HAVE IT FED EXED OUT TO PALM SPRINGS AND THIS IS BREAD YOU GOTTA EAT QUICK. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER WAY TO CONNECT TO FRANK IS THROUGH FOOD AND, OF COURSE HE’S GIVING US THE MUSIC>>SINATRA. GREAT, GREAT STUFF>>THANK YOU>>THANK’S SO MUCH>>ONE ON ONE WITH STEVE ADUBATO HAS BEEN A PRODUCTION OF THE CAUCUS EDUCATIONAL CORPORATION CELEBRATING OVER 25 YEARS OF BROADCAST EXCELLENCE FUNDING FOR THIS EDITION OF ONE ON ONE WITH STEVE ADUBATO HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY BARNABAS HEALTH OSCAR HEALTH INSURANCE UNITED AIRLINES NJM NEW JERSEY RESOURCES WELLS FARGO AND BY NJIT TRANSPORTATION PROVIDED BY AIR BROOK LIMOUSINE SERVING THE METROPOLITAN

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