Is Maleficent (2014) Good? | 5 Year Anniversary Celebration


[Thunder booms] – [Paige] This storm is like…right here. – [Both] Hello everyone/body! – [Paige] Back when we did the Chilling Challenge, I did the first video and I talked
about Maleficent and I like briefly mentioned the live-action
Maleficent movie and got a few comments after that that like people didn’t like it. I have never agreed with that opinion, so
Sarah and I watched Maleficent from 2014. And we’re of the mind that people
that don’t like it are wrong. I’m sure you have your reasons; we have ours. That’s
what we’re gonna talk about today: our reasons as to why Maleficent is very
harshly judged, why it shouldn’t be, and what its merits are. If you don’t know
what Maleficent from 2014 is, it’s essentially a retelling of Disney’s
Sleeping Beauty, but from the perspective of Maleficent and/or Aurora as the
narrator, so it kind of takes a Wicked approach to the story of Sleeping Beauty.
– [Sarah] I had only seen it once way back in 2014 when we’d watched it together, and I
didn’t really have any strong opinions about it. But we just rewatched it…
[Thunder booms loudly] – [Paige] The thunder is fitting, but annoying right now.
[Both laugh] – [Sarah] We had Tim Burton’s Alice
in Wonderland in 2010, right? – [Paige] Somewhere around
there. Before Maleficent. – [Sarah] Funny thing, Linda Woolverton
does the screenplay for Maleficent and she also did the screenplay for Alice in
Wonderland. We were talking, when we watched it, about how, you know, we really
like and respect Linda Woolverton. Alice in Wonderland is all over the place.
– [Paige] It’s not her best- – [Sarah] It’s not her best.
Having watched Maleficent, like especially since, you know, I mean
our ability to critique movies and also just look at the structure of the story
as well has definitely improved in the last five years, and I liked it.
– [Paige] Yeah! – [Sarah] I do wonder if part of my feelings about it are directly influenced by the fact
that so many of the later live-action Disney movies are just so boring and
unoriginal that I have such low standards, but I also don’t really think
that’s the case with Maleficent. So Robert Stromberg, who was the director,
was the production designer for Alice in Wonderland (2010) & Oz the Great and Powerful (2013),
which I made a comment about how so many of the visuals reminded me of Oz the
Great and Powerful, which like is a terribly written movie.
– [Paige] The visuals are not
the downside of that movie. – [Sarah] But the visuals and the production design of Oz the Great and Powerful
is not what’s wrong with that movie. One of the things that we have seen quite
a bit from people who do not like this film – of which it seems to be a very
popular feeling, not liking this film – is that it’s disrespectful to the original
story, it takes a female villain and makes her not a villain anymore.
– [Paige] Gives her like a revenge story that – [Sarah] is fueled by trauma inflicted by a man.
– [Paige] And they definitely have those elements, but that’s not where it stops.
– [Sarah] And I think the other
one that we’ve seen a couple of times now is the treatment
of like the Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather characters, like in the original. I think
it’s really important to watch Maleficent with the understanding that
it is not attempting to re-make Sleeping Beauty in the way that like the other
live-action remakes, I think, have been, like trying to capture the exact same
story especially of, like, the Disney Renaissance movies. The one’s kind of a
bet exists outside of the Disney Renaissance really seem to try and do
something relatively different. Like you got your Pete’s Dragon, and your Dumbo…
– [Paige] Your Cinderella. – [Sarah] All of those actually deviate quite a bit from the original – [Paige] Disney movie.
– [Sarah] Yes. But the Disney Renaissance movies, so, you know,
your Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King. They are very much
attempting to directly capture the nostalgia that you have for those movies
and I think a really good way to look at Maleficent is, “We are telling a different
interpretation of some of these same figures.” I think it’s very deliberate like that Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather do not really exist in this
story. There are characters who you can link them to, but they have different names.
– [Paige] They have different personalities. – [Sarah] Yeah, and they have a completely
different function in the story. I think the Maleficent is so different
from the original Sleeping Beauty that it doesn’t bother me that
some of those characters are so vastly different. Stefan is completely
different, like his motivation is completely different, but it’s just an
entirely separate interpretation of like the kind of story that they came up with.
You can also kind of look at it as the original Sleeping Beauty being this
kind of story told from the perspective of perhaps the Royal side, I
guess, where Maleficent is seen as this incredibly villainous and incredibly
powerful, but still a one-dimensional villain who has one goal, and it’s being
evil, and it’s wreaking havoc. And that’s cool, but it’s also interesting to see the other side of that where the
interpretation could be, “What if we don’t just assume that, because she’s a woman,
that she’s evil?” I don’t think that this is meant to be a way of Disney
being like, “This is canon!” – [Paige] They’re just like, “Here’s another way to see it.” – [Sarah] Yeah, “Here’s a different
interpretation of that same story.” – [Paige] Right. And the one other
complaint that I hear a lot, even now, is just that people didn’t want to see
Maleficent as anything other than a villain. They don’t want to see her as an
anti-hero, and so they thought that this movie was kind of useless because it
wasn’t serving their own purposes. And I just think that is a very…
I don’t want to say self-centered but kind of…you put yourself in
the center of the ring. – [Sarah] We were biased when we talked about
Beauty and the Beast because we have that personal connection. I understand why
some people would also be upset because of that, like, if it has personal
significance to them. And it all depends on that, so we recognize that we
don’t have that bias, and that doesn’t make our opinion more right than
somebody who really loves the original Sleeping Beauty and really loves the
character of Maleficent. But it’s just something to consider: different isn’t
always necessarily bad. – [Paige] And it’s not always necessarily
a slight against your personal opinion. – [Sarah] Or the original source material.
– [Paige] Right. – [Sarah] It helps the Beauty and the
Beast (2017) is a badly written movie. Maleficent, on the other hand,
has a lot going for it, honestly. especially in terms of story.
– [Paige] So getting right into the
heart of why I love this movie, why I have always liked it like
since I saw it in theaters: Maleficent is a sexual assault survivor, and you can’t
really miss the rape metaphor if you’re an adult watching this movie. It’s never
exploitative, even though the rest of the story is based on her dealing with her
trauma, it’s not just that, you know? She isn’t like solely motivated by that.
– [Sarah] We see that young Maleficent meets child King Stefan, the boy who will eventually
be Aurora’s father, and they develop a friendship that-
– [Paige] which turns into like – [Sarah] romantic feelings and a romantic relationship,
and as he climbs kind of the ranks over on the human side of where they live – and
it’s important to mention that the kind of fantasy realm where Maleficent lives
and the human side are often at war with each other;
– [Paige] The Moors is what they keep calling- – [Sarah] The Moors is what they call the fairy home
– [Paige] her area. Yeah. – [Sarah] So there’s that conflict between like magical being and humans going on, and
through it all Stefan and Maleficent have this connection, and
she cares about him and he cares about her up to a certain point, only until she
stands in the way of him amassing the kind of power that he wants to
have. The acting King says, – [Dying King] Kill the winged creature, and
upon my death, you will take the crown! – [Sarah] And Stefan uses that relationship
with Maleficent to gain access to her, drugs her, and then while she’s sleeping, can’t
quite bring himself to murder her. Instead he cuts off her wings and takes them back as
proof that he killed her, and when she wakes up, she’s in a lot of pain and it’s
very clear that it’s a metaphor for sexual assault and I thought that we
could definitely look at it from a sort of disability perspective as well. She
definitely seems to experience pain, like some chronic pain. That’s why she
conjures the staff that she walks around with so much. It’s a mobility aid,
at least at first. When you have sexual assault metaphors, I think it can
really be very easy like you said to move into like exploitative territory, to
make it just about like, “This is a very simple thing. You know, the woman
gets assaulted, a woman is put through pain by a man, and then the woman
becomes stronger for it.” I don’t think the movie really hard to use that.
I don’t think it’s positing that Maleficent couldn’t be the Mistress
of All Evil, she couldn’t be as powerful as she is at her full capacity if she
hadn’t had this thing happened to her. It’s very clear that she’s already extremely powerful.
– [Paige] And I think the movie actually makes the opposite argument,
that she’s at the height of her power when she is fighting for something that
she loves, not against somebody that has hurt her.
– [Sarah] It shows her healing, and it takes a while but I think that’s still effective. I think sometimes a lot
of people lean on this idea that you can just use magic as a metaphor for any
kind of real-life prejudice, and often- I mean, that’s how you have like things
like Bright (2017) that thinks it’s being very deep but really doesn’t have anything
to say and is resting a lot on stereotypes, rather than actual emotion
or experience. I think it actually really, really works here in Maleficent because
Maleficent isn’t upset just because he’s a man, and she’s not closed off because
he’s a man. The audience will see that real-life connection between like a
woman being sexually assaulted by a man and having to deal with that trauma- like
that, the audience will see that and they will draw that connection. But like the
story of Maleficent goes beyond that. Her closing her walls, essentially, is
much more about how she trusted the humans and how that directly hurt her.
And I think a big thing about Aurora and her relationship with Aurora and kind of
healing from that pain, is her realizing that she has hurt- she’s condemned an
innocent person in an attempt to hurt somebody else. For a story like that to
work, both aspects need to work. It can’t just be the strength of the real-life
metaphor that powers you through, and it can’t just be the in-story issue that
powers you through. It’s got to be both working together for it to be a good
metaphor and I think it is. Let’s talk about Angelina Jolie!
– [Paige] Angelina Jolie plays Maleficent, all of her kids wanted her to play Maleficent.
They helped her like train for the role. – [Sarah] She was also an
executive producer on the film. Angelina Jolie-
– [Paige] Was basically born to play this role. – [Sarah] Who does such a good job!
– [Paige] Yeah! [Crow squawks]
[Maleficent laughs] – [Maleficent] How quaint. – [Sarah] It was so refreshing to like watch
so much of an original story and scenes play out because-
[Thunder booms] We’ve gotten three live-action Disney
remakes this year. None of them are particularly great. To watch this and not
have so many moments where I was preoccupied by the fact that they were
just directly copying the original material- really there’s just
one scene where it’s a direct copy. – [Paige] And they do the work to earn copying it.
– [Sarah] Yeah. The scene where she crashes
Aurora’s christening is pretty much word-for-word. It’s very
much taking the same kind of visual cues as in the original scene.
– [Paige] Yeah. [Maleficent cackles]
– [Maleficent] Oh dear. What an awkward situation. – [Sarah] But like by the time we get to that scene, like
you said, we’ve already seen so much original material that it’s just fun to watch
that scene, that familiar scene play out.
– [Paige] It feels much more like a
respectful nod to the original rather than a straight-up copy of it.
– [Sarah] Yeah. A lesser copy. – [Paige] Yeah.
– [Sarah] Angelina Jolie like does such a good job of contorting her
face to match that smile! It’s- – [Paige] To look like a Marc Davis drawing.
– [Sarah] It’s so impressive! I mean she’s a cartoon, with those mannerisms
and with that laugh and with that smile. – [Paige] She was very preoccupied in
paying respect to Eleanor Audley, and to some extent, to Marc Davis.
And I think that’s why I respect her in this role so much
– [Sarah] I am very curious
about whether or not the people who hated that movie so much when it came
out you know five years ago, would feel the same way now that we are so far into
the Disney live-action remakes. – [Paige] And also post-the #MeToo movement starting.
– [Sarah] That’s a good point. I found myself very impressed by the
fact that like Disney released a movie with a very obvious rape metaphor.
[Paige agrees] – [Paige] We have not even
talked about absolute cupcake Elle Fanning as Aurora.
– [Sarah] She’s so good! – [Paige] Like I start talking about her and I get emotional just ’cause she is- like I feel
like Maleficent all of the sudden, and I’m just like, “This tiny person is precious
and I must protect her at all costs!” – [Sarah] Her whole job in that movie is to be
extremely likable and sweet and kind, and she does it perfectly!
– [Paige] Yeah! – [Sarah] One of the
things, I think, that is a flaw in the original story is just but Aurora does
not get a whole lot of a personality. – [Paige] She doesn’t have a lot of autonomy, like, at all. – [Sarah] She’s a lot more of an object, and that’s nothing against people who
really, really loved Aurora. I’m not saying that she has no personhood or
autonomy, just that she’s got a bit less than a lot of the other Disney heroines.
– [Paige] Meanwhile, 2014 they’re like, “Let’s give Aurora a stake in the story!”
– [Sarah] “A personoality!” – [Paige] “You know. The story
that revolves around…HER! – [Sarah] I think it’s an incredibly clever little
touch of writing, and it’s a subtle thing. It’s not- it’s not something that is
trying to draw your attention to it. It’s just something that you will pick up
with you’re paying attention, but part of the gifts that she’s given by the
faeries – Maleficent included – is that – [Maleficent] The princess shall indeed grow in
grace and beauty, beloved by all who meet her. – [Sarah] It’s interesting because Maleficent is kind
of helping to raise her because, you know, the fairies looking after her are not
doing a good enough job, and she wants to make sure that she has to be survives to
her 16th birthday for the curse to be enacted. The more time she spends with
her, the more she comes to love Aurora, and it’s kind of it’s a nice little
touch of like that curse kind of working against her. And I think it’s a
really nice story about adoptive parenting and I can understand,
especially, why Angelina Jolie in particular would have wanted to look at
the story from that perspective as well. – [Paige] And of course, you know, one of the cutest
things about the movie, besides Elle Fanning, is the fact that they couldn’t
find a child that wasn’t completely terrified of cut cheekbones, horned
Angelina Jolie other than her own baby! So she’s just in the movie playing young Aurora!
– [Sarah] It’s very cute. – [Paige] Diaval.
– [Sarah] I know you love Diaval. – [Paige] I. Love. Diaval. I think he’s so funny! – [Diaval] What have you done
to my beautiful self? – [Maleficent] Would you rather I let
them beat you to death? – [Diaval] I’m not certain. – [Paige] Their relationship is just-
it’s so interesting and fun. – [Sarah] They have good chemistry together.
– [Paige] Right, yeah. – [Sarah] As like a team.
– [Paige] Yeah. – [Sarah] And I do think that he adds some levity. And he’s not even like the
typical kind of comic relief character, where he’s making a lot of like weird,
not totally appropriate jokes. A lot of it is snark.
– [Diaval] How could you do that to me? – [Maleficent] You said anything I need!
– [Diaval] Yeah, but not a dog! They’re dirty, vicious, and they hunt birds! – [Sarah] He’s in it just the right amount.
– [Paige] Yeah. – [Sarah] The story is still very
clearly about Maleficent and later Maleficent and Aurora’s relationship.
– [Paige] Yeah. Really, the biggest thing that I liked about his
character is that, when Maleficent has taken it upon herself to keep Aurora alive,
because the Pixies are useless, she like half-heartedly cares about
Aurora. She’s like, “Well I just need you to stay alive for sixteen
years, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get hurt and I can’t laugh at it because
I’m hurt myself.” And Diaval is the one that’s like, “Stop! She is a baby! Stop doing
that! We need her like in one piece, friend!”
[Crow cawing] – [Sarah] It’s a very bright and colorful
movie. I think the color grading is actually very appropriate, which – whoo! I
mean Christopher Robin, I had some problems with. I’ve certainly noticed that
there’s a lot of kind of CGI muddy kinda tone to a lot of these newer movies.
Maleficent uses color well. It’s not just the same flat kind of faded
looking thing the whole time. – [Paige] If there’s blue because it’s nighttime.
it’s a digestible blue where you see Maleficent in her completely black getup walking
through the woods the middle of the night. – [Sarah] And it’s sad that that’s how low
our bar is for some of these things but Maleficent passes it! It clears that
bar. Doesn’t mean it’s perfect. Let’s talk about the leather hot pants. They are stupid. – [Paige] Do you have like
a lot to say about the hot pants? – [Sarah] Nope.
– [Paige] It was a bad choice. – [Sarah] They’re really stupid. – [Paige] Are you in Underworld or Maleficent? – [Sarah] It’s really unfortunate
to make such a silly choice that you know takes you out of the movie
right at the end, because I think that when you don’t quite stick the
landing or you don’t get- you don’t quite get some of the details right at the end,
people remember them a little bit more than they should. Like had the hot pants
been at the beginning, I don’t think I would have remembered them as much! I
mean we hadn’t even talked about the whole true love’s kiss thing. Which, when
it came out in 2014 like Frozen had only just done it, and then Snow White and
Huntsman kind of ripped it off from Frozen, and then Maleficent also did it.
The true love’s kiss like solution of like Maleficent’s love for Aurora as a
daughter was a little bit down played because Frozen had just done it a year earlier.
– [Paige] Which isn’t fair to Maleficent. – [Sarah] I don’t think it’s fair and I think that
that solution is still a nice twist as long as it’s not overused.
– [Paige] The thing about Maleficent versus frozen in this case is that we don’t really
get a relationship between Anna and Elsa. We just see them on their separate journeys.
– [Sarah] That’s a really good point. I see where you’re going with this.
– [Paige] Yeah, but Maleficent- the entire plot of Maleficent is the relationship
between her and Aurora. – [Sarah] Yeah, Frozen never questions
the idea that true love’s kiss exists. – [Paige] Right.
– [Sarah] Or that true love exists. I mean on the one hand, it’s trying to just
keep you in suspense because they don’t want you to know that Hans is the
villain, but Maleficent has this interesting kind of aspect of it that
part of the cruelty of Maleficent’s original conception of the curse is it’s
a way to get back at Stefan for telling her – [Narrator] It was True Love’s Kiss. – [Sarah] It’s a way of her throwing it back in his face like, “There’s this thing that you lied to me
about, and you used that and now it’s coming back to bite you.”
– [Paige] But she makes that caveat believing in her heart that true love doesn’t exist. true love
– [Both] doesn’t exist. – [Sarah] And I think that
that makes it a bit more interesting. Having watched it all the way through.
with a couple of years you know distance from that trend, I like it and I
still do. I think that it is a bit undercut. I think the power in that
subversion of the true love’s kiss thing, being an only romantic thing and love at
first sight existing, is that Aurora’s really only sleep for ten minutes! There’s no danger! – [Paige] There’s a pacing problem towards the end.
– [Sarah] There’s a pacing problem towards the end! – [Paige] They’re like “We gotta wrap things up.”
– [Sarah] Things happen very quickly. – [Paige] “We’re done with this movie.
We gotta wrap it all up!” – [Sarah] I wish that she’d gotten to turn into the dragon,
– [Paige] I know! – [Sarah] It would’ve been really cool.
– [Paige] I know. – [Sarah] I mean I don’t care that much
about it. It’s not like I’m morally like offended because
Maleficent- “Let women turn into dragons!” It’s not about that it’s just I
think it would have been cool seeing her turn into a dragon.
– [Paige] Yeah. – [Sarah] Like, that’s all it is. And honestly it
would have been pretty easy to fix, I think, if we just swapped a couple of things.
– [Paige] Yeah, you had mentioned swapping the action fight sequence with the kiss sequence.
– [Sarah] Yeah. – [Paige] And then we as were watching it we ran into
the issue of Aurora finding the wings to give Maleficent her wings back.
And then I came up with the solution of having Stefan be knocked out during the fight, finding Aurora, saving Aurora, and Stefan
finds them after the fight and tries to continue to attack Maleficent because he
has nothing left. Which makes it even more sad because Aurora would be in the
room for that as well. – [Sarah] Yeah I mean Stefan
kind of descends into madness fueled by paranoia that Maleficent will come back and and kill him one of these days.
– [Paige] And that she’s cursed his only heir. – [Sarah] Yeah. The only heir that, by the time that
she actually makes it back to him, he’s so far gone that he did not seem to care
about her. He does not care about her at all. It undercuts how well-deserved that
twist in the true love’s kiss story is for them to immediately go to this huge
battle. There’s very little quiet in which Aurora gets woken up and they have
a very little amount of time before Maleficent gets attacked by Stefan and
we get very preoccupied. – [Paige] And I think your idea of switching the scenes
also enhances this idea that she’s going to the castle to save her Aurora.
– [Sarah] Yeah. – [Paige] And if she has to get through Stefan first, she’ll do it not because she is
continuing to take out revenge on Stefan but because she cares that much about Aurora. – [Sarah] I don’t think it needed to adhere to the original story but I think that
would have been one of the places where it could have and it would have been fine. Aurora pricks her finger, falls asleep,
and then there’s a good portion of the movie where she is asleep-
– [Paige] and the fairies are
breaking Philip out of jail and he goes and fights Maleficent
– [Sarah] And he fights- the dragon
fight and those flames and thorns and…it’s very cool, if you haven’t seen
Sleeping Beauty, check it out. After that big fight we have the falling action of
Philip kissing Aurora and waking her up, and we have that satisfying end and cool
down from that big fight. – [Paige] Right, I have just a really
quick thing: I think you said it last… or I think you said earlier today that like
Sleeping Beauty in particular relies on the idea that Phillip
and Aurora are destined to be together. Because a lot of people will complain
about like, “Oh they don’t even know each “other, and he’s just like not even asking
for consent.” I’m like, “You want her to “stay asleep forever?” This is a situation
that does not translate to real life. – [Sarah] I remember what you’re
talking about. Yes, there is the issue of consent. You know, don’t kiss
people when they’re sleeping. Don’t do stuff like that. It really helps that we
don’t exist in a world where sleeping curses are real. Talk to your kids about
consent. Like, there can be both! There can be both!
– [Paige] Right. Right. Right. – [Sarah] But I think that one of the
big things about the original Sleeping Beauty, is that like it’s not creepy
because the story completely believes that like Aurora and Phillip are true
love, and therefor them meeting is not weird but romantic because they’re soulmates.
And like that’s part of the room that you have in a fairy tale and a love story. – [Paige] Maleficent acknowledges that as a trope
but then like horse stomps all over it and is like, “No, no, no. They don’t know each other.” – [Sarah] Especially ’cause, like, yeah. They completely changed that scene.
– [Paige] He is, you know, a 16 year old boy and he’s like, “Wow! A pretty girl in the woods! I just want to talk to her. Hi!” And she’s like, “Oh hey I’ve never…
talked to a boy before. It’s fine.” – [Sarah] It’s a cute- it’s a very
cute interaction between the two of them. It’s very sweet, and I
actually think it’s very interesting that they’ve decided to do a sequel like
so many years later and they’re like, “Just now they’re getting married!” The Spiderwick
Chronicles CGI characters were a bit weird. what You know what? It’s just occurred to me that maybe
some of those are references to like her weird Goblin lackeys… – [Paige] Right.
– [Sarah] …in the original movie, – [Paige] Yeah.
– [Sarah] but I don’t think they work well enough. I mean you could
have just gotten rid of ’em. – [Paige] The Goblin Lackeys…
– [Sarah] Just stick ’em in the trash bin. There’s like a scene towards the end I think
we’re like Phillip shows up as well and Phillip and Aurora like talking to each
other and there’s just this thing that looks like the mucus animation from the
Mucinex commercials and it’s like very clearly on a different layer
and I think we could have just- whoop! Dropped it out of the frame. We didn’t need it!
– [Paige] I think you broke me. But none of these things are so bad,
that I think the movie’s bad as a result. – [Paige] Right. What I think is interesting about the fact that they’re doing its
sequel now is that they end the movie with Aurora being like essentially
coronated in the Moors, but the next movie is like, “No, no. She’s she’s the
princess. There.” There’s another lady coming in to take care of
her even though she’s getting married!
– [Sarah] Michelle Pfeiffer! – [Paige] Who is this woman?!
– [Sarah] Well, she seems to be Philips mom? – [Paige] I can only assume so.
– [Sarah] I don’t know. – [Paige] And I think the last thing that I really
wanted to talk about was something that we talked about last night, and it’s just
speculation. I’m not trying to blame anybody in particular. But you know this
movie was at the start of the Disney live-action remakes. I see a lot more
negative comments about it than positive comments about it.
– [Sarah] Especially from Disney fans, – [Paige] Right.
– [Sarah] Which I find fascinating because there are so many Disney
fans who love the new live-action remake of the Renaissance movies, which
are just terrible movies! – [Paige] And like comparatively they’re actual trash.
– [Sarah] Yeah! – [Paige] And we just kind of speculated like… was the decision to make shot-for-shot remakes not necessarily just based on Maleficent,
but based on this kind of backlash against deviation from the original
Disney movie? – [Sarah] Yeah. It’s nice that they tried to do something completely
creative and different. – [Sarah] And I think that a lot of people really
wish that that’s what these Disney movie remakes we’re trying to do and they’re not.
– [Paige] I know that’s what we wish – [Sarah] Yeah.
– [Paige] they were doing. – [Sarah] I mean, a lot of critics feel that way too.
– [Paige] It is a solid movie. It is one of the best “remakes”
that Disney has put out so far. – [Sarah] It’s not even that it tries to do something different and it fails because of
structural problems. I think it tries to do something different it succeeds.
– [Paige] Yeah. – [Sarah] If you haven’t watched it, I mean… and you’ve been holding off because you’ve
heard it’s really bad, I mean, give it a chance. Make your- form your
own opinion and if you don’t like it, let us know
why! We’re genuinely interested, and please be specific.
– [Paige] Particularly because the channel was built on the retaliation against very broad statements
against Disney movies that were just regurgitating over and over and over
again. So just keep that in mind! – [Sarah] And we want to know, we want to understand
if you hate this movie. I mean it might not- you might not change our minds and that’s fine.
– [Paige] You’re probably not gonna change my mind!
– [Sarah] But you might broaden our understanding of the ways that the movie can be interpreted. So we’re very
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– [Paige] Oh! – [Sarah] Oh no!
– [Paige] Reggie! [Both laugh] – [Sarah] Can you imagine Kristen
Wiig playing Snow White? – [Paige] No! No I can’t! Turn him into a phoenix…or a second dragon, a smaller dragon!”
– [Sarah] Why would that- What is she gonna do with a Phoenix, Paige?
– [Paige, laughing] I don’t know! – [Sarah] She’s like, “I’m finally
getting rid of you, Diaval! [Paige laughs harder]
“Light yourself on fire! Come back as a baby!” He’s gonna fly too close to Stefan
and set him on fire!
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  1. When I've seen Maleficent for the first time I absolutely hated it. Sleeping Beauty is my absolute number one among Disney movies, and Maleficent just felt like blasphemy. But time passed, and I just made peace with it. It's different, it's enjoyable, still not my favourite, but it's solid. I just wanted it to be more of a backstory for original Maleficent. A much darker and tragic story of how evil isn't born, but sometimes you get lost in it and there's no coming back, because that's what I've always thought must have happened to her. But I got something quite different and I just didn't enjoy it the first time. One of the things that still bothers me is the treatment of the three fairies, I understand that Maleficent is a protagonist in this one, but I just really hate how they downplayed the fairies, made them idiotic and careless, in order to make Maleficent more likeable. I just really don't like it when one female character is downplayed in the favour of the other. We could have all the ladies in this movie be cool, complex characters is all I mean. But I don't get so mad at Maleficent any more. I'm even going to see the sequel tomorrow. ☺

  2. I didn't care for this movie when I watched it years ago. As much as I can remember, it's because I wasn't feeling it between Maleficent and Aurora, personally. It wasn't that believable for me so the "true love" part of it felt cheap.

    But I'm really glad you talked about this movie. I left a comment wanting you to a long time ago. I liked hearing your different perspectives and it. I also didn't know they were coming out with a sequel. I think I definitely want to see that and I might not have wanted to if I hadn't watched this video. 😊

  3. I hated watching this film. Critically there isn’t much I can say is wrong with it but for some reason it didn’t sit well with me.

    Five years and two rewatches later, I’m still trying to figure out why. I think there’s something in the scene structure and editing which I just find very choppy.

  4. I don’t think it is a bad film but I just don’t like it lol 😂 Sleeping Beauty is one of my favorite Disney films though and I love pure evil Maleficent. If this film wasn’t a retelling of a favorite of mine though I probably wouldn’t dislike it.

    Angeline Jolie is amazing in it though.

  5. I rembember I didin't like when it came out but I recently give it a rewatch and really enjoy it, my head just exploded when you said it was a rape metaphore, I can't believe I totally miss it, it has a lot of sense now

  6. I honestly didn't love this movie, but I also didn't mind it. I mean Maleficent isn't pure evil and never had redeeming moment. Unlike people who currently write Fanfiction about Pennywise from IT being somehow redeemed. Those people are daft.
    Angelina Jolie is fantastic in the role. I didn't like the rest of the cast besides the bird man. He's just the best. 💖
    Also your editing is reminding me of Scott Pilgrim or Zombieland and I love it.

  7. I really liked this movie when I first saw it in the theaters and it's confuzzling to hear that a lot of people didn't like it? That said… it's also suuuper confuzzling for me to hear that someone at Disney felt it required a sequel… like.. no wait… it ended perfectly plz don't sequel… eep! O_O

  8. I totally agree that it would have been great if Aurora were in the room for the Stefan/Maleficent fight especially if she could have some sort of a line about how the curse would have been easily foiled if he had truly loved her

  9. I remember being mostly apathetic to the movie when it came out like. I had a good time, but I didn't think anything especially grand of it. I do remember a few of my friends being of the binary of absolutely hating or absolutely adoring it, and when I'd mindlessly ask either side, most of the answers always felt kind of empty to me? "It's too grimdark" vs "She's so badass" did nothing to sway me. There were some legitimately good answers from both, but most were personal experience and ergo stuff that's more difficult to acredit as merits towards the movie. And it had been casual conversation besides, so nothing very heavy had been dropped and we easily forgot about it. Most of it had been the usual kind of "the right/wrong movie at the right/wrong time" for those people, and less of any critical analysis. Which, again, casual conversation that I didn't have expectations about. That's totally cool, both sides are valid, I was still "meh" about it and mostly haven forgotten to think of it.

    You know what, thanks to your sudden video about it, that I realize I never forget though? Some of the shot composition from this movie. Some of the iconic scenes from it. A movie I am apathetic towards, and I am a person who easily forgets, but I can still vividly recall some of these shots and that in itself is impressive.

    Also you guys make some very interesting points! I don't think I'm emotionally invested enough– from my vague memory of a movie I only once in 2014– to say that I definitely "love" this movie… But ya'll are making me want to go to a friend who does love it, borrow it, and watch it again. From this critical analysis video alone, it's moving out of "meh, I don't feel this way or that about it, honestly" and into "It's pretty good". Maybe in rewatching it, my opinion will improve and maybe I will connect with it better after all this time. Thanks for that. That's a really cool ability to achieve, persuasion, and it's shared with you by some pretty remarkable people. I hope you feel proud ♡

  10. I adored Maleficent. It was the first movie I ever saw multiple times in theaters. (Once by myself, once with my then-best friend, and once with my little sister.) I didn't do that ever again until Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Infinity War and Endgame. And I try to go to the movies at least once a month.

  11. You guys put into words my why I'm so partial to this film. I love that you brought up the disability metaphor in Maleficent and her staff.

  12. Well first – happy 5 years!!! I really, look forward to what else you have coming (which hopefully means the Descendants 3 watch?!?!?!)

    I think that people hated this movie for being different but also because Angelina herself isn't the typical hollywood darling which is truly bogus reasoning. With the other Live Action movies I've found myself championing the people starring in them more than the films – like with Aladdin I was far more excited that Naomi Scott was getting a prominent lead role in a sure fire block buster as I'd been following her since her disney channel movie days & with power rangers instead of really being super excited for the remake.

    For me if you're going to make these then something new needs to happen in them which is why I am SUPER pumped preemptively for the new 'The Little Mermaid' film if only because making Ariel's actress black will impact the perception of this story even if it ends up another super close remake.

  13. I also really wish the Disney live action remakes deviated from the original like Maleficent. I only had minor issues with Maleficent. The thing that bothered me the most was that she was named Maleficent from the start…when the word maleficent literally means "doing evil or harm". Personally, I felt like it would only make sense for her to take on that name after she started being "evil". But that's just a nitpick, it really doesn't affect the movie as a whole.

  14. Out of the Disney remakes/distant sequels/reimaginings, this is easily my favorite. I can't make up my mind whether I consider it the "best," because it does have its flaws, and The Jungle Book (16) and Cinderella (15) were both decent. But I haven't wanted to rewatch either of those two, whereas I have seen Maleficent a couple times and am actually interested in owning it. Everything else I've seen, though, has been varying degrees of trash.

    The most consistent criticism I've heard lobbied at it is that it's trying to say Maleficent was a hero all along, but that doesn't hold water for me. Not even a little. The central villainous act from Sleeping Beauty is still portrayed as a villainous act here. Like, the movie isn't "pro-baby-cursing," as some people act like it is.

    The plotting is a bit messy. At least as far as I remember. It's been a little over a year since I saw it last. I do recall some pacing issues, although I thought they were in the first act. I recall it feeling rushed to get her from basically an innocent to the Mistress of All Evil in about ten minutes. And, like y'all, I would've preferred if she was the one to turn into the dragon, but (shrugs)

    I have no plans on seeing the sequel, but my mind could be swayed if I hear good things.

    Keep up the good work, folks!

    EDIT: I now own a copy.

  15. A sequel with a queen that could be possibly Philip's mom? Oh boy, sounds like the second part of the actual Grimm's Fairy Tale of Sleeping Beauty.

    SB was divided into two stories, the second part has Sleeping Beauty marry the Prince and he takes her to live with his mother, who turns out to be an evil Ogress with plans on eating Sleeping Beauty and her children.

  16. I completely agree with your opinions on this movie (Paige, I get you on Diaval) and it's just so enjoyable to see you two play off of each other. Another very great video from you guys!

  17. I remember when I saw this movie for the first time in theaters, thinking, "there's no way Disney is going to subvert the True Love's Kiss trope, not with Philip in play." And then they did, and I was pleasantly surprised! That, and the metaphorical sexual assault scene, are what stood out to me the most.
    Also, in reference to you mentioning her "coronation" at the end of the film, I have a theory as to what that ACTUALLY was. I always thought that Maleficent was basically telling her realm very publicly that Aurora was as good as kin to her, and was to be welcomed and allowed passage to the Moors anytime she wants to pay a visit. It could have also maybe been a coronation making her essentially princes of the Moors but IDK about that. I think it was more about Maleficent making her familial bond more concrete.

  18. It was a CGI nightmare. And the CGI aspects were uninspired and unoriginal. The story was fighting itself on whether it wanted to be for kids or a darker telling of the story. There were some good things, but they were too fleeting and insignificant

  19. I just wanted her to turn into a dragon… there is a dragon there but i wanted her to be that dragon. It was all i really wanted to see. I would have been cool with everything if she just truned into a dragon.[i think that is the 8 year old in me] Also i felt there was stuff there was something missed in the other characters beside Maleficent becuase no one eles was really as likeable…. at all maybe Aurora? Sadly with all the other live-action Malifcent is one of the better ones of all things.

  20. I would like to quote my other YouTube fangirl crush (besides the two of you) the goddess Lindsay Ellis, on the subject of Maleficent: "It may be hot garbage to some, but it is my hot garbage."

    The rape allegory was HUGE for me in the way I loved this movie (wasn't it for all of us who did?); because she didn't JUST take revenge, they showed her grief and her trauma and her pain in the moment. I thought showing how that pain and betrayal drove her hurt and ultimately her rage and revenge made it so much deeper for me. But unlike a ton of other movies, she didn't just move into revenge and anger and then strength because of said rape allegory….they showed more of the arc (inasmuch as they could, while doing everything else they needed to in the rest of the movie).

    AND HOW DID I NOT GET THE DISABILITY COMPARISON???? ME OF ALL PEOPLE?!?!?! Now I have to watch it again. <3

  21. PLEASE DO A DISCUSSION ON THE PROGRESSION OF "TRUE LOVE/TRUE LOVE'S KISS" IN DISNEY/FANTASY.
    The earliest version I remember of subverting the typical "heterosexual love at first sight" was actually Aquamarine, the 2006 movie of a mermaid attempting to fall in love with a human, only for her true love to be her and her human friends' love for each other.
    On the Disney side, Once Upon a Time (2011) was a little bit earlier than Frozen with the first season ending (2012) by having a mother wake her child from a sleeping curse with true love's kiss.
    Then, of course, came Frozen, Maleficent, and a whole bunch of others.
    (Speaking of which, is there a real definition of "true love?")

  22. I don’t get the hate. Sleeping Beauty and Maleficent clearly do not take place in the same universe. They use the same parts and pieces to construct different independent narratives.
    I see no reason to dislike either.
    Also, Maleficent amusing herself during the sixteen years by low-key fucking with the three fairies was one of my favorite bits.

  23. The TV show "Once Upon a Time" did true love's kiss between mother and dying son (Emma and Henry) in 2012. That's the first time I saw Disney use that and I just loved it.

  24. I love a villian backstory, or a retelling from an alternative perspective, so am always open to this type of production.

  25. I think it's weird that people think Maleficent is disrespectful to the original story as the original story in and of itself was quite different from the original Grim fairytale. I read so many different versions of Sleeping Beauty as a child and the Disney one certainly wasn't my favourite. Maleficent is a great retelling for a modern audience, this isn't the 1800s any more

  26. I was never one that hated it, but I never loved it. I enjoyed it. I suppose that has to do with me not being a die hard fan of Sleeping beauty the animated movie. I dident catch the rape metaphor(though I often dont, as am on the specter. It does make sense when you explain it).
    I was curios when the sequel was announced, because it got so much hate and that it the movie dident end with any open ended plotlines. I heard people hated the sequel but also people that liked it. Now I kinda want to rewatch malificent and see the sequel.

  27. This movie has backlash because despite it being good or bad we are all just plain tired of our nostalgia being milked for money.
    Just yesterday I watched Toy Story 4 and I cried several times during the movie. Was it because it was so good that it just made me burst into tears? No. It was only because I knew these characters previous to this movie and cared about them.

    I honestly don't care if Maleficent is good or bad, these remakes are all of average film quality but in concept they really are trash. It is really noticeable how these movies are made without any love or atention, also they are all very ugly movies but that's irrelevant, I just really needed to point out how UGLY these remakes are shot.

    So if I ever critisize Maleficent or any other Disney remake is not because of the quality of the film. It's just RIDICULOUS ON SO MANY LEVELS that a multi-billion dollar company doesn't put out new content and we are all focusing on these crap movies when there's so many animated indie movies coming out every year that deserve way more atention and praise than this trash.

  28. I'm always upset when I see how little views ur videos get. More ppl should know about ur channel!! 😤 Also I just watched Maleficent yesterday, so this is great

  29. Do people realize that the REAL original story of sleeping beauty she got raped by the prince and get pregnant and that is how she wake up?

  30. 20:05 We do see Elsa and Anna together in Frozen, though. The first act is all about their relationship (even if some of it is comprised of Anna trying to connect to a reluctant Elsa) and they have some significant screen-time together at the end of the 2nd act too. That's about as much screentime as Maleficent and Aurora have together before the "true love's kiss".

    I think both of these "true love's twist" moments work, though I do prefer Frozen's – because that twist contains a more complex and thought-out statement, saying that true love is about selflessness and not just about emotion ("love is… Putting someone else's needs before yours")… Whereas Maleficent's twist feels simpler and cruder (it's really just "family-love can be true love too, just like romantic love". Which is a perfectly fine message, but it just doesn't feel quite as thoughtful as Frozen's).

  31. The reason I love this movie is because the the time it came out was around the time I turned 16 years old. So I can relate to Aurora in the story line as she turns 16 in the telling.

  32. I just watched this recently and I think my opinions places in the middle of loving it and hating it. I appreciate its original ideas and making the story more about two females.

    However on my first viewing some of the dialogues felt cringey and the reason why Maleficent spend her time with Aurora was not explained well from my opinion.

    Overall I wished the movie was longer so that the characters would get explored more and I appreciate you two standing with your opinions

  33. This made me smile and HONESTLY, I genuinely think they were PLANNING to do more movies like this. I distinctly remember Aladdin was originally gonna be about the Genie. So I wonder if the criticisms against this movie led to…what we have now…

    …I'm so upset. I realize the LeFou Bridget Jones style rom com of my dreams wouldn't have happened regardless because homophobia, BUT WE COULD'VE BEEN CLOSER TO IT. Ugggggh.

  34. I agree in some parts with you two. But I think the acceptance of the remakes/re-telling/adaptations has something to do with the moment you saw the original movies and how relevant those characters were for you… I grew up with Sleeping Beauty on VHS and even though Aurora was lovely and beautiful and her songs were amazing but she was quite bland and too passive for me. My favourite moments were the fairies just interacting with each other and trying their best to live without magic. I LOVED Maleficent. Her attitude, her clothes, her voice, her power, even those few quiet moments with Diaval after the "for 16 years you've been looking for a baby?!"… she was simply cool and someone I could relate better than Disney heroines in those days. I always imagined that the human kingdom did something very bad to deserve the curse (beyond the not inviting her to the party). My head canon was that she was the Queen of the fairy kingdom and the human kingdoms were destroying the area thinking it was only forest…
    That's why I was quite excited to watch this movie and a "Wicked" style retelling. The trailers look good, Angelina Jolie was perfect casting, it's true that Elle Fanning is an adorable cupcake and I would regret any cursing that could hurt her.
    But when I saw it in theaters it was just disappointing. I didn't want Maleficent's back story to be a dovey eyed pastel coloured fairy who got heartbroken, and betrayed (aka raped 😖) by a human. I'm kind of tired of seeing romantic love and betrayal as the principal motivator of characters (especially female characters). And the rape metaphor was really too much for me. Why do they have to imply that you have to be "broken" to be in a certain way? Why couldn't that just be the way she was?
    And beyond changes to Maleficent: Why did the human King had to be such a cartoon villain who didn't care at all about Aurora? why did they have to drag down the poor fairies to a three stooges level of incompetence just to show she cared about her 😒?
    That's why I didn't like the movie in general. It was too simple… I expected a bit more of nuance, more insight in Maleficent than a 180 degree change because of betrayal and later for love for Aurora.

    Of course, I would be slightly less harsh with the film after watching other Disney live remakes (only Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast and Lion King,that was more than enough for me). The last two are definitely trash… Jungle book was a "meh", Maleficent just hurts the most for all the lost potential. Because, even though she was the villain, I cared about this character, this movie (beyond some amazing acting by Jolie) didn't feel so much like the Maleficent I grew up with and what I wanted to see.

  35. I really liked Maleficent when it first came out, and I consider it to be the most enjoyable of all the Disney live-action remakes. I never really thought about it until I watched Lindsay Ellis’ “Woke Disney” video where she described Maleficent as “my trash.”

    Something about that really resonated with me and I realized, for some reason, I loved the Maleficent film beyond rationality. The film was by no means perfect nor revolutionary and there were indeed flaws, but something about the film checked all my boxes and hasn’t changed since.

  36. At first, I didn't like this movie. But when I looked at it from the perspective of, as you said, "This not canon it's just a different version," it was easier to digest. The wings scene was very difficult to watch, even though I knew it was coming, because in some versions, Aurora get kissed, she ends up pregnant. And one of her new babies wakes her up…

    I haven't rewatched in a while, but I will say I didn't love that Maleficent put Phillip to sleep to bring him to the castle to wake up Aurora. I know time was of the essence, but I wish there had been a moment for Philip to simply agree to come to help Aurora. I know Maleficent has zero time and patience for most people, and men least of all, but it would have been nice.

    Frozen did not earn either of its "twist" and the fact that that film was originally written with a nice Hans and changed later really shows.

    As an aside, as an adopted person, I can really sympathize with Aurora and with some of the issues that seem to be cropping up in the bits of the trailer I haven't been able to avoid. I've seen how some adoptive parents can react when their children try to bridge the gap, I worry about how this movie is going to portray that journey. Though, afaik, it seems Angelina has always been supportive of her children and their connection with their home countries IDK about families.

    My line of thinking at the end of the story was much like yours. Aurora is Princess of the Moors, she'll continue her relationship with Phillip, they unite both worlds, Maleficent is happy, huzzah. I hope the new film gives us that happy ending.

    I like this remake far more than the renaissance ones. I finally saw Lion King, and Aladdin, and well, since I rewatch your BatB series for validation I wish more of them had taken this path. I wouldn't want to see Gaston as a hero, because he was a far more fleshed out villain, and I dislike him, but a sort of un-canon reworking would have been welcome. Perhaps more re: Pre Beast Prince or The Enchantress or not what we got.

    Looking back, The Enchantress/Agatha's weird "I'm around but I'm helping, but I'm not helping, but I fixed it after the fact anyway" vibe is kinda like Maleficent, but not earned or sensible or necessary in anyway. Alright, that's way more than I meant to say. Because really all I meant to say was "I agree with you, this is a great video, and now I'm much more interested in the sequel."

  37. A flaw for me was that I never believed Phillip was going to break the curse. I would have liked to feel the gutpunch of it not working. But maybe that was just me

  38. I've liked Maleficent since it came out and never really got the hate. Sure, it's not a perfect movie, but it's got a lot going for it and I love how it explores redemption and a mother/daughter-esque bond.

    I like the way Maleficent and Frozen subvert the "true love's kiss" trope in different ways. In Frozen, it doesn't matter that Anna and Elsa haven't spent much time together because the focus is on the action, not the feeling. Anna needs "an act of true love" and it's the characters who misinterpret that to mean "true love's kiss." When Anna saves Elsa, it doesn't matter that she hasn't spent time with her to develop a feeling of love – what matters is that, despite everything, she sacrifices herself to save Elsa's life: an act of true love. Basically echoing what Olaf says earlier, that love is putting someone else's needs before yours. In the Frozen universe, I'm not sure that a true love's kiss would have even worked.

  39. ngl… when you reeled off the regular complaints that's basically all of my thoughts as to why I don't love the movie. But I'm going to say something no one has ever said in the comment section of the internet ever… you've convinced me to consider a different perspective.
    Even when I was very much on the "this movie is trash" side of the fence something I did say was that I think I would've liked it more as a whole other fairy tale and my disdain came from how much I love the original Sleeping Beauty. And I still do because I grew up on it, it's sacharrine, aesthetic, romance it's as fairy tale as it gets and I love all the classics. And the Flora, Fauna and Merrywhether thing was one of biggest bug bears but I never even considered… they don't even have the same names. Like that in itself is a huge thing to consider watching it again with fresh eyes. And I think I appreciate even more that while you're still saying here's all this good stuff- but you're still fair about how some of the CGI is a weird mis-step or the hot pants or how the true loves kiss scene didn't get chance to settle etc
    The only live action disney remake I out right adore is Cinderella, I find charm in Pete's Dragon and Jungle Book because they're different enough and feel faithful at the same time. Whereas the other ones we have more recently don't do or challenge or change anything in a meaningful enough way that isn't saying "we read what you said on buzzfeed about this movie you think is problematic in a real life context even though it's a fairy tale and also you haven't watched it in 18 years so you only vaguely remember the plot" so now you can watch Belle invent stuff! I think I like Cinderella and Aurora in their revamps (I'll say revamp rather than remake for them) because they still embody kindness and innocence in a way that feels correct to the character. And even before I saw this video… I was hyped for Maleficent 2 because I studied fairy tales and knew that Sleeping Beauty is the only fairy tale I can think of that has a built in sequel. After Aurora marries her prince her mother in law is an ogress who tries to eat Aurora and her children but gets found out, tries to throw them all in a bath with poison creatures but Phillip shows up and he's like "mum…. the fuck?" and she kills herself in shame. So I'm fascinated to see the first movie ever to maybe touch on that aspect of the story

  40. The curse that maleficient set on aurora (turning againts her) was the only point i really liked about this movie.
    i want to rewatch it now that there is a new maleficent

  41. 17:10 and he has a widows peak which fit with the raven hair
    25:11 a lot where also weird superstitions and warnings, in one it's her kid that sucks the torn out of her finger tip.
    So now you know what to do about splinters?

  42. Lmaooooo what? Maleficient (2014) was in the vein of Once Upon a Time. I didn’t like it because I found it boring (I haven’t watched it since around when it came out), but it was never a problem that the movie reframed the story to be about her. Maleficient (2014) expanded upon Maleficient the character as well as the rest of sleepy beauty’s universe. I get that if you loved the 3 faeries it would annoy you to see the 3 faeries the movie gives but it should be given the space to do that since we’re flipping sides of the story and focus of the narrative. I would definitely prefer Disney do these kind of Elseworlds movies rather than their current remake ethos.

  43. women can turn into dragons! enchanted did it and hopefully in the maleficent sequel she she will too. also my husband and i loved the film, but we were kind of embarrased to say so, but now im happy abt it haha

  44. My family had went to see the movie when it came out and when we left my dad loved it and to this day he still won’t stop talking about how good it is.

  45. It's a re-write. It was never meant to be "the same", and that's awesome because it's a fairytale and there are lots of different interpretations of the same story.
    Also it focused on giving the characters depth. It would be a very difficult to give believable depth to the characters in the original story.

  46. I liked this movie – I loved the twists. Penelope, which was a low budget movie, also did the twist on the use of love to break a spell – in that case, being able to love one's self they way one is. Frozen was the twist of sisterly love, rather than the maternal love in Maleficent, but also shares with Penelope the quality of the person who is cursed breaking their own spell. Maleficent had the person who did the curse break the curse.
    Maleficent is also like both the cartoon and the Hermione Beauty and the Beast where Maleficent is deemed the Beast and Stephan is basically Gaston.
    As far as those who didn't like it, there are those who won't like it unless the scene is done exactly the same way as was in the original – you can call them the favourite scene police. However, with changes from one version to the other, we also get slight shifts in ideology. You mention the Me Too movement. The Me Too movement tends to see things in the female gaze that we used to see in the masculine gaze. Before Me Too, there was the ambitious actress who slept her way to the top. After Me Too, it was the woman who either was sexually assaulted or successfully resisted advances and told that if they told, or if they did not give in, that they would be blackballed – never work in the town again. The latter is more realistic, but some would rather pretend that it is the former.
    Then there is that Maleficent is a powerful woman at the time where women were supposed to be gentle and sweet – that she was deemed too uppity and needed to be put in her place. That was what Maleficent was created for in the first place – to be put in her place by men or those who knew how to properly worship men. Making Stephan the bad guy for asserting the power that was rightfully his as a man – in a sense castrating him (which is how Tucker Carlson would interpret it) would turn some people off. If you read stuff about the evils of capitalism, colonialism and the 1%, seeing Stephan as willing to betray a friend, in other words, to give into corruption and greed so as to be rewarded by one's rich friends, doesn't question your ideology.
    Christopher Wylie mentions the sort of men who feel censored because it is no longer considered to be acceptable to slap a woman on the derriere and how those men were exploited into thinking that they were being victimised because of that. Those men would not like Maleficent.
    https://www.npr.org/2019/10/08/768216311/whistleblower-explains-how-cambridge-analytica-helped-fuel-u-s-insurgency

    You look at Aurora and her virtuous mother who dies. So how does a corrupt capitalist pig spawn a kind dutiful daughter as Aurora's mother was? The mother was kind, but she was kept in the dark about how nasty her own father was and dutifully agreed to marry someone her father chose for her. Maleficent was supposed to be the exact opposite of Aurora's own mother, but, in a way, she is more like Aurora's mother than she is like her father.

  47. You know, looking back at it, I love the original Maleficent bc she's evil in such a unique way. If you look at her design and the way she acts, she's not evil bc she's old or cast aside. She doesn't use her sexuality to get into the party nor is she hyper sexualized. She shows up, announces "Sup bitches. No one invited me, that's rude, so here's a curse." And leaves.
    Often when a witch is the antagonist, it's bc of some shallow reason like youth, fertility, or bc she uses her sexual prowess. Not Maleficent. She's just uses her power and presence to rule.
    I guess I was worried that would be lost with this version. I should find it and watch it.

  48. I loved this movie when I saw it in theaters, feel like re-watching it now.:)
    And (as far as I remember) for the True Love's kiss, I hadn't watched Frozen so it felt new to me and I genuinely didn't know how Aurora was going to wake up, like… Okay, I guess it has to be phillip bc that's what happened in the OG but then it hit's you. No! The only one to ever Truly Love her was Maleficent and you feel kinda proud to have figured it out before Mal makes it to Aurora.
    Anyways, thanks for this video, I enjoyed hearing your opinions. Can't wait for the next one (crosses fingers)

  49. This was one of my favorite Disney live action remakes. I liked this reinterpretation a lot. Also, the way you two conjured up a real life thunderstorm for this movie was pretty wicked

  50. I liked the fact that it has a new perspective on the story. The title alone tells you it isn’t a direct adaptation. I also thought Jolie, Fanning, Riley, and Copley were all very good. For me, though, I just wasn’t as engaged in the storytelling of it. It wasn’t consistent. So I liked it. It isn’t one that I’ll go back to for multiple viewings. The only interest I have right now in the sequel are performances.
    Completely agree with what you said about the other Disney live action. I am interested in Cruella, though, for the same reasons that drew me to Maleficent initially.

  51. The BIG mistake with Maleficent is Disney made is having Maleficent be "Mother" to Aroura. It would make more sense to have Maleficent be Bisexual, and be in love with Aroura. I was disappointed that the male sidekick was the dragon, such a feminist moment from the original was given to a man. The three fairies weren't as funny as they were in the original.

  52. I was led to believe that this movie was going to be 1959's "Sleeping Beauty" but from Maleficent's perspective. However they changed so much; the curse from being a death sentence to a nap, Maleficent not being the dragon and not dying at the end. How powerful and tragic would it have been if she died a martyr especially after being raped.

  53. I have mixed feelings about this film, but I LOVE WHEN THE TRUE LOVE'S KISS IS BETWEEN MOM/ DAUGHTER and they throw Phillip out of the room. I laughed so hard when we saw this in the theater I cried and my friends LEFT ME to go sit in a different part of the theater.

  54. I loved this movie when it came out, then I let my opinions be swayed by the internet, and people with loud voices. And I'm kind of angry at myself for this. This movie is so beautiful, and clearly so personal to the writers, and is original. And I constantly complain about the lack of originality in Disney, and lack of ingenuity in the retellings. And I lament that even when we have original stuff and ingenuity on old stories (i.e. nutcracker and the four relms (amazing movie btw), jungle book, Grinch 2018). And yet HERE I AM! DOING THE EXACT GODDAMNTHING 🤦🏻‍♀️😩. Why can't people just let people enjoy things. I love this movie, I'm really excited for the new one, even if I'm concerned that it won't be as good.

  55. Haven't seen it in a few years, but remember it as an ok movie. Not the best thing ever, but decent when judged on its own merits.

  56. No, no it's not. Not sure why everyone has to critique everything people really enjoy…the second one is also now in my top 5 movies I love

  57. I just saw Maleficent 2 and I am still processing it. I didn't really enjoy the first film that much, I think what bothered me the most was the poor treatment of Aurora's parents. Her father King Stefan became the villain. He grew so obsessed with hunting and killing Maleficent, he didn't even mourn or show any grief for his dying wife. The queen (Aurora's biological mother) also deserved a better fate. But I loved Angelina Jolie's performance and she was absolutely amazing in the sequel.

  58. Regarding the original film, as an avid fantasy fan, I agree that in fairy tales you have a lot more poetic license, but I think that heavy themes like consent should only be poeticised if you’re very careful about how that changes your message, and I don’t think Disney did. And the fact that Disney’s come up with ways to gloss over some of the holes in the romance rather than just writing them out kinda makes it worse. I love Disney too, but I’m not gonna pretend like it’s aged better than it has

  59. Ok, silly reading but I see a reflection of the story of Jason in Maleficent, where Stefan betrays his alien 'wife' for the sake of upwards mobility. Jason betrays Medea to become king and Medea goes back at him by going against his children- in that case their children.

  60. It's been awhile since I've seen this movie, and when I did watch it, my opinion was definitely influenced by a reviewer I no longer watch who didn't like it. Watching your video has made me realize I should give it way more credit, and I do want to watch it again. I do also want to see the sequel.

  61. I only saw the movie once in theater and remember walking out disappointed. At the time I really wanted Disney to break away from the source material and give Maleficient her own adventure, but felt that they stayed too close to the original story only sprinkling in a few new scenes (what a sweet summer child I was). I remember being really impressed that there was this obvious rape allegory in a Disney movie, and seriously hating the three fairies. Tbh I would need to rewatch the movie to come to an informed opinion.

  62. I LOVED this movie. Never understood the hate either. My mum cried when she saw this movie and she cries at NOTHING.

  63. i've seen maleficent and love it, and now im really curious what y'all think of the sequel? (i loved that too btw)

  64. So I know a good number of Disney friends who have been so keen for the Disney live-action remakes. So far, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and Aladdin were neat for me. At face value and without thinking critically, I love them. Aladdin especially, as that was a childhood stand out, and I am so eager for my other stand out, The Little Mermaid.

    But Maleficent…oh man. This was just next level. As someone who was never really into Disney's animated Sleeping Beauty and who got to personally interact with the animated Maleficent in the Kingdom Hearts series, to see this alternate take on the story from her eyes just…I fell in love with it. I'm also continually riding the Maleficent high cuz I saw Mistress of Evil earlier tonight with my boyfriend!! And explaining the first film to my boyfriend, who hadn't seen it going into Mistress, reaffirmed everything I love about these two films, the first especially. Angelina's characterization was stunning and Elle's pure, wholesome aura as Aurora was so refreshing in the first film. The 2014 film gave so much life to an otherwise stale story, by personal comparison. It beautifully twined originality with nods to the source material.

    I also just love seeing for how/why someone has dove into darkness. And hey, I also won't refuse a smartly written redemption, either. It's not like Maleficent 2014 has suddenly become a benign, pure, only-does-good being. The trailers for Mistress of Evil show that Maleficent goes back to her base instincts in some scenes, but because she was pushed to do so. And that's sort of very true to life? Anyone who has recovered from some negative aspect of their life can jump back into that survival mode during that time of pushed to the brink. And that is very much evident in the trailers, Maleficent is suspicious of these other humans who might pose a danger to Aurora, her light and love.

    You don't mess with a momma bear's cubs, after all.

    All the same, Princess and Scriv! I hope you enjoy Mistress of Evil sometime soon!! And kudos and congrats to FIVE YEARS RUNNIN!!!!!!

  65. The live action remakes generally don't work for me, since most of them don't add or do anything that the originals didn't already do perfectly fine, and the muddy cgi isn't something I enjoy looking at much, but Maleficent is the only one (other than Cinderella, because it's just so darn cute) I've been compelled to watch more than once because it tries something new and it works. It manages to add layers to a well-known story without feeling forced or retconned and creates emotional character dynamics I can actually feel invested in. Jolie's performance alone makes the movie delicious to watch. My only issues with it are the CGI on the fairies makes me a little uncomfy and there's some dragging in the second and third acts, but nothing that makes it a bad movie. I was surprised after its release that so many people had strong negative feelings toward it. But I guess, many of those people had neutral to positive feelings toward Aladdin or The Lion King, which I can't get through without cringing.

    I can't help but wonder if the negative response is rooted in internalized misogyny. Some audiences don't care to see women be vulnerable and powerful, and have complex, non-sexual relationships with other women onscreen. And I think Maleficent being a well-known, arguably one-dimensional character prior to this movie, makes people less motivated to view her in a different light. Certain audiences love male anti-hero redemption arcs and character studies (a la Joker, maybe?), but when that character is a woman…? This isn't a fully fleshed out thought, but I can't help but feel it plays a role in the reception.

    I do like what you both said about audiences reacting lukewarmly to the live action films that deviate from the original possibly being one of the reasons the more recent live-actions have been copy and paste jobs. When it comes to remakes, people either complain it's too different from the original, so the studios overcorrect and then audiences complain it's too similar, because the perfect balance probably doesn't exist, which to me, says maybe we should stop remaking things.

    In the end, I'd rather watch something new and different or something that improves upon its predecessors. If I want to watch Sleeping Beauty, I'll watch Sleeping Beauty.

  66. Side note as to what Disney tries to do with the remakes: I found live-action Cinderella rather close to the animated, at least in spirit. Sure, less singing, less speaking mice, a prince with a first name of his own (!!!) but it didn't feel like a new take on the story.

  67. If you guys had concluded "yes maleficent is trash" I would have cried….its not perfect obviously but it's so so so important for me as a queer girl, as an abuse survivor, as an autistic person, and as a fan of the original–i grew up with sleeping beauty and can recite it almost line for line, and the art style and music are an integral part of my childhood memories. I don't think this movie takes away at all from the original, and I love them both for different reasons, and honestly I'm just grateful I don't have to defend my love of either to anyone. Thanks for this lovely, intelligent review of my 2nd favorite movie of all time.

  68. I feel like the only time kissing someone in their sleep is if your partner is leaving for work really early in the morning and gives you a kiss on the head, not like a full smooch on the mouth, just a kiss before leaving.

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